Comments on: Fights, brawls, stupidity http://www.reigndropsfall.net/2004/11/20/fights-brawls-stupidity/ Ramblings from a hacker in Iowa Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: anonymous http://www.reigndropsfall.net/2004/11/20/fights-brawls-stupidity/#comment-190 anonymous Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:36:20 +0000 #comment-190 Brian, while I agree with your point that the fans are mostly at fault for the Detroit/Indiana incident, I must also argue that Ron Artest is *almost* equally at fault. Immediately after the cup was thrown at Artest, he then had a choice: (a) attack the fan(s), hoping he can figure out who it was (b) ask security to take care of the person(s) responsible. Clearly (b) is the better response here and the point is that he had a choice to act civily and he did not. I just saw tonight that he was suspended for the rest of the season and I think that is totally appopriate. Players should *never* head into the stands, just as fans should *never* enter the court/field, and there should be severe repercussions for anyone who breaks this rule. Unfortunately, what I didn't hear today was what the NBA plans to do about finding the fans responsible. If idenitifiable, these fans should be dealt with just as severly, if not moreso, than Artest. Brian, while I agree with your point that the fans are mostly at fault for the Detroit/Indiana incident, I must also argue that Ron Artest is *almost* equally at fault. Immediately after the cup was thrown at Artest, he then had a choice: (a) attack the fan(s), hoping he can figure out who it was (b) ask security to take care of the person(s) responsible. Clearly (b) is the better response here and the point is that he had a choice to act civily and he did not. I just saw tonight that he was suspended for the rest of the season and I think that is totally appopriate. Players should *never* head into the stands, just as fans should *never* enter the court/field, and there should be severe repercussions for anyone who breaks this rule. Unfortunately, what I didn’t hear today was what the NBA plans to do about finding the fans responsible. If idenitifiable, these fans should be dealt with just as severly, if not moreso, than Artest.

]]> By: Mikey Cooper http://www.reigndropsfall.net/2004/11/20/fights-brawls-stupidity/#comment-189 Mikey Cooper Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:11:33 +0000 #comment-189 err... s/Tigers and Gamecocks fans/Tigers and Gamecocks players err… s/Tigers and Gamecocks fans/Tigers and Gamecocks players

]]> By: Mikey Cooper http://www.reigndropsfall.net/2004/11/20/fights-brawls-stupidity/#comment-188 Mikey Cooper Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:10:31 +0000 #comment-188 "I know this may sound fanatical, but if that were me, I’d pull my gun, fire a few shots in the air, and get the football players’ attention."<br /> <br /> Thank god it wasn't you then. Warning shots are illegal in most areas these days, a bullet flying up into the air eventually has to come down. In a stadium with 70k people in it, there's a decent chance it's going to come down and hit someone.<br /> <br /> Placing the blame on the security guards for the brawl is ridiculous. That'd be like burning your house down by leaving a candle lit and then blaming the fire department. The brawl was started by Tigers and Gamecocks fans and the blame is totally on their shoulders. And I say this as a South Carolina fan, so it's not like I have a vested interest in seeing some of my players get suspended. ;) "I know this may sound fanatical, but if that were me, I’d pull my gun, fire a few shots in the air, and get the football players’ attention."

Thank god it wasn’t you then. Warning shots are illegal in most areas these days, a bullet flying up into the air eventually has to come down. In a stadium with 70k people in it, there’s a decent chance it’s going to come down and hit someone.

Placing the blame on the security guards for the brawl is ridiculous. That’d be like burning your house down by leaving a candle lit and then blaming the fire department. The brawl was started by Tigers and Gamecocks fans and the blame is totally on their shoulders. And I say this as a South Carolina fan, so it’s not like I have a vested interest in seeing some of my players get suspended. ;)

]]> By: nobody important http://www.reigndropsfall.net/2004/11/20/fights-brawls-stupidity/#comment-186 nobody important Sun, 21 Nov 2004 01:52:37 +0000 #comment-186 you seem to be missing the point, when you say:<br /> <br /> "Are we suddenly coming to the realization that alcohol impairs judgement and that judgement is a good thing to have when dealing with people you don’t like (opposing players)"<br /> <br /> why would you not like opposing players? it's not alcohol that's at fault, it's the perception that just because there's some competition, that there is something inherently wrong with the opposition.<br /> <br /> time and again we see this, whether in sports, politics, or even among hackers. you seem to be missing the point, when you say:

"Are we suddenly coming to the realization that alcohol impairs judgement and that judgement is a good thing to have when dealing with people you don’t like (opposing players)"

why would you not like opposing players? it’s not alcohol that’s at fault, it’s the perception that just because there’s some competition, that there is something inherently wrong with the opposition.

time and again we see this, whether in sports, politics, or even among hackers.

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